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As long as we have a Minecraft server, here's a place to talk about it.

So, in an effort to dispose of excess toluene clogging up my refinery complex, I now have 3.5k TNT sitting around.

13:49

Guess I need to find an inconvenient mountain to disperse.

Switch all your item delivery to TNT cannons.

Or a mod that lets me build an Orion with it.

More like a mountain range.

Or rig your base to self-destruct if anyone looks at it.

Each blast removes an area of about ~9-16 blocks right

13:51

In each direction

About that. Unless I go ahead and use up my spare flint by upgrading it to industrial TNT.

13:57

Also: There needs to be a mod that causes machines to randomly vent steam, just because. Everyone knows that RANDOM STEAM is how you know that Serious Engineering is happening.

And flashing lights.

14:05

And weird spinny bits.

When Things Spin, Science Happens.

If industrial tnt is what it sounds like you’lol be able to clear entire mountain ranges

BizzaroLand: are you just using the vanilla launcher?

14:06

IC2 also has nukes, you know.

@gollark yes. My internet is out but I have the mod zip downloaded

When your internet connection returns, please install MultiMC instead.

Kay

We need Project Red so I can build warship (edited)

No.

^

Besides, Funky Locomotion is the one with frames.

It a a more rubbish offshoot

dot.dot

Also, I do have some diamonds stashed away @gollark if you want it for the quarry.

14:15

Unfortunately it's locked in my strongbox so I'd have to log on, but :V

I found enough for a quarry card, it's fine.

14:16

Just need an ender pearl, and more power for the reactor.

14:16

* from

Is the pulsing not providing enough?

14:18

We may have to deoxidize the fuel and run it on a stable mix then.

It is, the issue is more that it needs manual refuel.

hm, yes

You can get a lot more diamonds with a Project Red tunnel boring machine

No, the quarry is really good.

14:21

Given lots of power.

You can also punch a hole through an enemy underground base

I'm going to run an itemduct to the reactor and send fuel down it.

14:22

@Unknown No, because my evil underground base is forcefielded.

I'm gonna make a warship to fight enemies of Saltire

14:22

But what If I give you a compact box gift..... full of armoured players?

That's actually quite clever.

14:23

Anyway, the solution would be door locks.

14:24

And as an emergency backup an invisible force field set to damage enemies would turn on.

oH HEY

16:44

my internet's back

So

?

Weird crash again, it's up now.

17:33

NO ZINC ANYWHERE!

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Have you looked in railcraft configs?

Yes, repeatedly.

eurgh :V

[22:31:55] [Server thread/INFO] [railcraft]: Registered Mine Ore Generator at depth 30 called mine_zinc appears in the logs.

17:35

Maybe I should just have a free zinc station.

and aluminum too V:

RC has no alumin(i)um, that's CoFH's fault.

…centuries after the Commune fell to ruin, the zinc and aluminum dispensers continue…

17:37

Does the Thermal suite use Al at all?

We should make the zincluminium dispensers self-replicating, for reliability.

17:37

Nope!

17:37

It supports it, but nothing requires it.

well then it's not as much their fault then :V

17:38

Tinkers has a pretty strong reliance on Al and Zn (for brass casts, unless you have literal tons of gold to burn), so it is arguably their fault for not generating those ores.

/tpa [player] works now!

18:39

It allows you to request to TP to them.

\o/

@gollark Were you automating nuclear fuel?

21:17

For the record, just oxidising the 235 takes less than a sixth of the oxygen needed to oxidise the entire fuel pellet.

21:17

And you only need one 235 oxide to craft an oxide fuel pellet, not the 238s too.

why must this track not lay out correctly?

Can confirm: Dimensional shard ore does indeed generate in the nether.

Anyone have a fortune pick I can borrow?

@gollark did the server crash?

11:48

I can't connect.

I think it ran out of RAM again or something.

11:48

Really need to fix that.

bah :V

Made a Mallyulin pick, went and got some ardite and cobalt from the nether. I'll pass em along when I log back in

15:11

so now we can make some properly tough tools.

Yeah, I had to sharpen my original pick with obsidian.

15:12

Turns out there is a mining level higher than obsidian :V

yep

15:21

I think it's Cobalt.

15:21

also, I see the factory is growing

It's even more of a horrible mess now.

15:22

We have 20000 paper and stuff.

I'm going back in

well, there's a second floor on Gollark's tower, and a glassed in part on the north side.

15:28

Also, there's now a rail link down to the bottom of the mines.

15:28

I'm working on setting up a train unload on one of the tracks.

The glass part is the planned magic research center, primarily designed for Botania.

I guessed that's what it would be for. that properly clear glass still screws with me XD

I automated it, would you like to overhaul the windows with it?

15:31

Also, when botania gets going, we can use managlass, which is nice and blue.

oooh

I want to have warship

no.

Then I'll just make it out of turtles

no.

This would be a very good time to consider the wise words of the philosopher Jagger.

Who is this Jag-Man? (edited)

Yes, who?

16:35

Google's not helping.

16:35

Well, duckduckgo.

https://youtu.be/3dfYcQ_r_x8

The Rolling Stones - Topic

You Can't Always Get What You Want

There are times that I forget I’m the gorram ancient mariner around here.

heh

16:53

Where's that Steven Universe sound clip where he says 'I ALWAYS GET WHAT I WANT'

Especially warships nobody needs on someone else's server!

16:57

Honestly, I could see it being cool in a different game which allowed you to actually access machines and stuff on a moving ship.

16:58

Minecraft, though, just doesn't support that, except actually valkyrien warfare which is (was?) amazing.

@0111narwhalz If you're still on later, Sanic Jr. has been leveled to Fortune III.

alright, I'll be on at a significantly later time

18:40

If you could just put it in a tool rack when you log off…

how much later is "significantly later?" V:

@0111narwhalz

:Λ

very significantly

well check your DMs

did V:

Aerial map of the Commune, as of March 31st:

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I demand an arrow pointing to the Narcave V:

nice house

23:31

Xveers

aight how bou dah @0111narwhalz

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:V

@TotallyNotHuman "significantly later" = now, evidently

00:34

…I will literally pay someone to take my feathers.

00:37

@TotallyNotHuman Thank you for lending me the pick. I only broke 7 blocks with it, so I'll just leave you with an electrum nugget for payment if that's agreeable.

00:42

XVeers: Can I ask that you leave the second story windows on the westmost side of the factory unglassed so I can continue to use them as a launch/landing pad?

oh dear

01:35

I may have broken something.

01:36

@gollark Sorry mate I think I crashed the server.

01:36

oh it's back up

01:37

oof, it ate my robot

01:41

Just so you guys know: Apparently turning robots on is a real bad idea

01:41

(that's OpenComputers robots)

I'll check the logs at some point and return the stuff.

Thanks.

01:50

So the plan was to use an OC robot to wield a fancy sword to kill endermen.

01:51

Unfortunately, it looks like OC doesn't want to cooperate.

01:51

I don't know whether you can use enchanted swords in CC turtles, but I do know that you can't use TCon ones.

You can, with a plethora kinetic augment.

ooh

Equip it and use its use method.

01:54

Or swing.

ah, problem with that is that it appears to require specifically jump boost potions

01:55

Anyone have rabbit feet? :V

@0111narwhalz That's agreeable, have you already dropped pick and payment off or shall I come by to pick it up?

09:28

Also as previously mentioned you still have a pending lapis delivery.

Good to see trading working, though the quarry is likely to wreck that.

back in my day, et cetera

10:32

Not that I'm complaining. Now we're bloody overflowing with ores.

The problem now is nicely processing them.

10:35

Maybe I should build a more powerful reactor.

Could be worse. Could be GregTech.

3

10:41

My ore processing chain looks like it was designed by a tarantula on meth.

Is TMI insufficient for our needs already?

Well, it can't run quarrying at full power.

10:46

Plus we could make a more efficient reactor.

If we can get Pu-239, LEP-239 Ox is the best stable fuel.

Best how?

10:51

I meant best as in best efficiency rating.

Highest power output for the current TMI core configuration.

Ah. Yes.

2744 RF/t continuous.

I remember slaving under gregtech way back in the day

I was thinking about making a new, bigger reactor design to run TBUox.

As opposed to 2531/t pulsing of LEU-235 Ox and 2240/t continuous of LEU-235.

10:52

5x5x5 perhaps?

My design is 9x9x9, which means I'll need to set up autocrafting to make it conveniently.

I feel like that's slightly overkill :V

10:53

How much does the quarry draw, anyway?

10:57

Anyways, a slight in-place cooler upgrade to the 3x3 TMI core will raise PEff to 275% and HMult to 475% (3234 RF/t with LEP-239 Ox).

10:57

But we'd need cryotheum.

The quarry draws lots, but on my SP world it could run at max speed fine on 10kRF/t. We don't actually need that, but I want fusion eventually, which needs much RF.

I think TMI might be enough to maintain electromagnet power for a future fusion reactor.

11:16

Not sure.

11:18

Since IIRC the requirement is 100 RF/t/electromagnet.

It's not enough (many electromagnets are needed) plus you need power to heat it.

I think this new psi/botania annex actually looks decent. If I ever do Thaumcraft that'll go under here.

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That's looking pretty damn nice

Schweet.

@0111narwhalz pick and payment received, cheers.

Any of y'all happen to know how to shut off air to part of a PneumaticCraft pipe network?

pickaxe

20:43

jk, idk

By the way, if anyone on gollark's server wants potent potions (e.g. healing for stimpaks), I have a semi-manual brewery going. Just let me know. (edited)

I haven't used Pneumaticraft seriously, but surely there's some kind of valve?

wat

21:23

Okay, so MC just did an oopsie and leaked memory everywhere.

21:23

I'm at baseline memory usage and there's still a gigacrap and a half in swap.

21:23

What gives?

I wish there was an easy way to reallocate memory.

21:33

It has to move stuff to swap somehow, so there must be a mechanism for moving memory from one place to another.

well that's real weird

03:13

https://i.imgur.com/Tmmwtbf.png

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03:13

Persisted after a relog, but disappeared after going into the resource packs menu.

note to self: zombie pigmen that aggro to a mob still want to kill you

Well, I found a stronghold.

About 1100 blocks from my cave.

05:58

Portal's at (-1125,1428) if you care—I've already looted the place.

05:58

Silverfish spawner is intact, though.

05:59

There's a drop tube on the nearest island, and a staircase, so don't bother digging down.

06:04

Portal frame is mostly empty.

At last!

10:47

It'll be a bit annoying to travel to, but I can set up an RFTools teleport setup given a lot of pearls.

Hm. Anyone want nanosuit boots?

10:50

I crafted a pair thinking they would be superior to slime boots. They were…disappointing.

I'll stick with my slime ones...

Time to stash it away for the quantum suit then.

10:52

How do you find iridium nowadays, anyway?

Dungeon chests.

ach, exciting

We have a few shards, and you're meant to massfab more.

You can usually find it at the Cretaceous-Paleogene boundary layer of geological strata

hm

10:53

Time to set that up perhaps?

I prefer psimetal or terrasteel, but the quantumsuit does have better damage resistance.

10:54

Also, massfabbing will drain basically all our available power.

(also can I just say I really hate the crafting progression of IC² compared to e.g. Thermal mods)

10:55

It's 700kRF/mB with scrap as a reagent.

The plates/wires are especially annoying.

10:55

That reminds me; we could make an automatic scrap processor for free random junk.

this is because Iridium is rare on Earth but common in asteroids, and it was deposited at the boundary between the Cretaceous and Paleogene periods by a 10km asteroid impacting the Earth offshore of the Yucatan peninsula 65.5 million years ago (edited)

One iridium ore is 120 mB of UU.

The same impact is believed to have been a primary factor in the extinction of the dinosaurs

[desire for stable power intensifies]

We have stable power. It just can't scale to above 2.7kRF/t or whatever.

84M RF for a single piece of ore :V

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I mean, technically you can run the reactor at full power for about a minute (failsafe off) before things start getting murdery.

I don't know if the current control system could read the comparator as analog and stay turned on for longer, but it wouldn't help outside of weird circumstances.

(also TMI-1 can totally handle the 2kRF/t in of the massfab, but the replicator takes 8kRF/t)

I guess it could be modified to stay on until 50% heat, but that would be mostly unhelpful except during very high but brief demand (which is why we have actual buffers) and also would be unsafe.

200 kilowatts for something turning energy into matter? That's a pretty good deal! (edited)

Maybe add a timer instead of depending on the comparator?

11:05

Since the heating rate and heat capacity is already known.

I don't think that would be better.

It would make pulses longer at least.

11:22

Which means more stable power output during times of high draw.

Anyone know a good way to totally disable silverfish?

/kill @e[type=silverfish] then nuke the spawner, probably

I mean completely. They spawn naturally and hide in monster eggs, you know.

Spawn naturally how?

Stone brick/cobble monster eggs.

Also, worldedit could help with replacing eggs with normal blocks.

In extreme hills.

right

The Wooden Hoe Generator!

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16:23

It dispenses scrapboxes, which is meant to produce random items, but I only get... wooden hoes.

16:24

I think the weights got messed up.

16:27

The wiki says

A flag, mod_IC2.suddenlyHoes (added in 1.337), can change the probability weight of Wooden Hoes to 9001, reducing the chances of getting anything other than Wooden Hoes to 0.53% (about 1 in 186).

so I think it's some sort of overrunning april fools'...

hoes can be fed back in

16:36

also that patch number

Hmmm

16:58

Burn them all for fuel?

We'd make less than what the recyclers cost, but sure.

What else are we going to do with them otherwise? Export them to other Minecraft servers? :P

Can you disable the joke somehow?

It might not be that, but I couldn't find an off thing in the Config.

Look in the raw options files?

17:27

They might not have exposed the option in the menu, but it's probably still in there somewhere.

17:28

Otherwise—I wonder if you can set it in as a command line flag.

Might be.

17:29

I'll check tomorrow.

Just did a search in the IC2 config file—no results.

21:42

I think it's most probably accessible by a command line flag.

21:45

(in other news, I'm actually coming online at a reasonable hour)

21:46

(heresy, I know :V)

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22:09

(that's a spruce tool rack, apparently)

wait what part of it

oi, yup, I heard the GC audio skip

22:10

killall -9 java

okay so I see a tool rack

22:11

but it's not in frame of that image

22:12

So I'm still unsure what you're actually talking about :V

the thing I'm holding

22:12

is a tool rack

22:12

:V

oh

22:12

no it's not :V

yes

22:12

it is :V

one sec, router

s/one sec/several secs/

@gollark What's the status on the item refund (after the OpenComputers robot crash)?

(it's alright if it doesn't happen—it was all tier one crap anyway)

03:11

(I'd just rather not remake it and have two piles of tier one crap)

@0111narwhalz I don't know what items it contained, but if you list them you can have them. (edited)

If anything is tiered, it had tier one. CPU, GPU, HDD, BIOS w/ Lua, inventory, screen, keyboard, memory, case

15:24

All were count 1.

We really need to design and apply a sensible cabling standard. I'm tired of fixing the mess of cables I created several days ago.

16:13

It's okay with power and water, which are simple, but AE2's got channels and I'm P2P tunneling.

Oh god no cabling standards. Welcome to a hole world of pain.

Have you seen the machine room basement?

16:18

I basically just meant "standard design and location for a common group of cables for in-base systems".

if you want to see hideous cablemesses you should look in my machine cave

Making Minecraft manufactories look good is hard.

I have a single machine with all six sides connected to ducts.

I think my phytogenic insolation system almost does that.

Oh god

I'm mostly concerned about the fact that I'm trying to spread out the base a bit, and without any control this will inetvitably result in a Mess™.

Four of them are itemducts, one is a fluiduct, and the face is hooked to a fluxduct.

What machine is it?

I have a similar arrangement brewing further down the fluxduct backbone.

16:20

First one's an induction smelter.

16:21

Second one that's not yet set up is a pulverizer.

16:21

Also I've decided to run power between rooms through an upper space.

That's harder to do given the base's nonlinear 3D layout half of which now isn't suitable for cabling due to aesthetics, annoyingly.

I have plans for a foundry, which will probably get a room or two bored out behind the entryway, and I expect it to be the most majestic of spaghetti piles.

16:24

(it'll involve several smelteries for melting, maybe one or two for alloying, and rows on rows of casting [tables|basins])

16:25

(and suction-driven fluid networks, which will be interesting)

16:27

I've yet to play with linked crafters, so I'm not real sure how they behave with fluid-item interactions.

16:29

Also don't know how well parallel crafters work.

16:32

ah, just looked at my plans and the pulverizer is actually only connected on five sides

@gollark Here's my 2x1x1 breeder reactor design:

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16:45

It'll go LEU-235Ox → MOX-239 → LEP-239Ox.

16:45

(only the first part shown; also please disregard the creative power cell) (edited)

16:47

Total output is 323 RF/t and both reactors are heat negative. (edited)

Now hooked up to reactor power.

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17:06

Only real issue is cycle length—it takes seventy minutes for one unit of MOX to burn.

you guys playing with atomics while I happily live off two little magmatic dynamos

hey, UU-matter is a hell of a drug

17:36

probably literally too

what happens when you step into UUM?

nobody knows—we haven't made a bucket yet

:V

17:42

Sounds like you guys need more magma V:

aren't magma blocks useless

I mean lava V:

17:48

(and I haven't looked at JEI on magma blocks)

snowballs are plenty efficient >:V

18:02

Unless you mean lava for magmatic dynamos.

haven't made a bucket

yes

18:03

a bucket of UU matter is pretty hard to make, yanno

18:03

V:

it's three iron

no

18:03

it's a couple gigaRF and literal metric tonnes of scrap

18:03

V:

Mine some iron and make a damm bucket

…

18:05

you do realise that a bucket is a unit of measurement as well?

18:05

equivalent to a tile of fluid when placed in the world?

18:05

:V

oh

In some packs, metal buckets are a major progression milestone.

What, skyblock?

18:23

ghosting

those are the main ones, yeah

18:27

But I think TerraFirmaCraft has hard-to-get buckets too.

18:28

"[…] working a metal sheet on a tier six anvil."

18:30

oh and [red|blue] steel buckets can only pick up [water|lava], respectively

18:30

and it's a pain to make [red|blue] steel

18:30

They're like endgame alloys V:

would you theoretically need a green bucket to pick up biofuel?

18:35

or a yellowish bucket to pick up tree oil?

18:35

That sounds like a big dumb to me, not going to lie.

Terrafirmacraft doesn't add any other fluids V:

18:40

Presumably red steel lets you pick up cold fluids and blue hot ones?

18:43

And while wooden buckets exist, they 1. can only pick up water and 2. cannot pick up source blocks

wat

18:44

what purpose would that serve

18:44

:V

Makes it easier to put water in barrels and use it for recipes, I expect.

18:46

(did I mention that you need to drink water too? V:)

Ö

18:52

So it does exist!

18:52

@gollark from the quarry:

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18:56

The mythical zinc ingot:

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@gollark sorry for the third ping, looks like the server died :V

Figured I'd try my hand at some aesthetics on this retaining wall. https://i.imgur.com/bJ33GoR.png

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20:13

(there was an unsightly overhang to begin with)

ah is it back up?

yeh :V

looks good.

Current number of empty portal frames is eight.

I heard there was some kind of drive for eyes of ender, but I don't see anything in the ME system.

20:53

It's a shame feathers aren't an acceptable "living matter" item in RFTools.

We've got about three pearls plus blaze powder.

well the end portal's open so

01:41

Let's arrange a time for dragonslaying?

Yæy!

01:46

I think there's a psi spell someone wrote for dealing stupid amounts of damage to it in the compendium, better find that.

I can

01:46

uh

01:46

hit it with lightning? V:

I'll probably do most of my damage with my crossbow.

02:00

Current thoughts: "What tool do I want to fill with XP for eternity?"

02:00

(yes I know there's a cap)

Alright, I'm gonna try turning a computer in a case on now.

02:10

(if everything explodes again at least we have a manifest)

02:10

okay sweet it turned on

02:10

Didn't boot, but :V

aha it boots yay

Tools don't gain experience unless you have a TiCon addon for it.

Waht

They pull XP into the mending moss buffer.

Ah. Right.

02:43

I tend to just put wood parts on my tools, or repair them manually.

My pick is built for high speed and silk touch.

02:44

I'll likely emboss it with a wood part to make it repair itself.

02:45

(possibly other stuff, depending on whether it's "one time" per part or per tool)

I've got a fluxbore which works pretty well for that sort of thing.

I might transition to a fluxbore.

02:45

What tier is yours?

02:47

I don't know how TCon stats relate to anything else, but my pick runs a 19.4 mining speed.

@Xveers @gollark @TotallyNotHuman The end portal is open. If you want to fight the ender dragon, please coordinate with the other players to find a time that works for all interested. If you do not want to fight the ender dragon, tell the rest of us early on so that we don't wait for you. For my part: Any day from about 1—8 UTC.

I'm good. feel free to kill the bugger at your leisure

ACK

I can do Fri/Sat from 2000—0700 UTC.

Not entirely sure, but probably 1800-2200 UTC today; not sure about tomorrow.

10:33

I'll be going to the end before actually fighting the dragon, though, for ebony and ivory.

Save de elytra for me

Elytras are overrated anyways.

11:15

Jetpack/Slimesling gang :V

Unholy combination of psi, jetpack, slimesling, and (later) elytra and neural interface gang!

foolish mortals

11:17

you have yet to meet the power of the reusable ender pearl

What?

What‽

A glitch I found once

H4XX0R!!!!!¡

YOU ARE UNWORTHY

I mean, my CAD and a simple spell beat ender pearls anyway.

BUT YOURS DOESN'T WORK IN VANILLA, DOES IT?

What is "vanilla"?

IT IS WHAT I PLAY IN THE DARK DAYS WHEN THE TECHNICLAUNCHER SERVERS ARE DOWN

11:21

IT IS LIKE MINECRAFT... BUT WITHOUT MODS

the horror

11:22

Recently I made a spell which takes a few thousand psi, takes five seconds to work, and which teleports you a bit over 100 blocks.

11:22

Amazingly, it's basically useless.

IÄ! SHUB-NOTCHURRATH! BLACK PROGRAMMER OF THE WOODS WITH A THOUSAND KNOCKOFFS!

/r/restofthefuckingowl

11:32

>#minecraft

oh yeah was meaning to put that in #dank

11:33

surry

ZINC! FINALLY! A LOT OF PURE ZINC ORE!

15:24

* POOR

Check the recipes on it and see if my TE setup would process it more optimally.

It's poor zinc ore. You can only smelt it.

15:25

Or smeltery it.

I think I looked at the recipes for other poor ores and found that the smeltery was optimal.

Hussah! Where did you find it?

The quarry got it.

Any idea what biome? Was it a newly generated chunk?

Don't know, no.

So when you say "a lot…"

... it's enough to make a few trains?

so like a stack or so of ore?

Poor ore.

yeah

16:14

What do you get out of that, two nuggets? :V

SLIGHTLY mroe.

16:14

* more

Anyone know how to rotate a turnout rail track?

Give it some crowbar.

That seems to only flip it 180 degrees. I need 90.

I think that leaves you with pulling it up and relaying the track so the vanilla rail junction bends the other way.

Also doesn't work. See screenshot.

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@0111narwhalz @gollark Poor ores give six nuggets in the smeltery; no other machine in the pack matches that.

Hm. I've got nothing, then. Unless it depends on which side you crowbar it from.

TiCon OP :V

You need a spike maul for switches and the like

I have one of those.

17:00

It should be on the tool rack above my bed if you want it.

Cooking up a yooge™ batch of tough alloy for my breeder reactor shenanigans.

20:05

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20:06

[casting intensifies]

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nice

there's gotta be a way to automate that

20:18

the ingot casting

Autonomous activator and a suction thing?

There is.

20:23

A fluiduct and a hopper.

fluiduct to cast in, itemduct to pull the bar out.

20:34

some wiring to control if its on or not and let you make alloys to cast.

20:34

nice thing is that the ducting doesn't require you to make a timing circuit.

Maybe we should build that railway from the spawn chunks after all, for after the dragonslaying.

[/home intensifies]

if you want to use commands why don't you just /kill the dragon instead?

because you can't use /kill?

…that's not the point V:

After a quick trip to the End, I have the equivalent of almost 400 ender pearls.

22:07

And about a hundred and fifty XP for my TCon tools.

"equivalent"

33 of them are actual pearls.

22:08

The others are locked up in resonant end stone.

ah yes

(which means cryotheum)

22:09

so I guess it's time to automate that

IC2 macerator is the best way to reduce cobble to sand.

22:34

My one macerator is hidden in the smelting nodule.

22:34

So to use it manually I have to poke through the duct spaghetti.

22:35

←best at games

hey you know there's a spare macerator in the communal machinery chest right

23:17

:V

hey you know there's a beach even closer than that

23:24

V:

23:25

Also apparently you can pull fluids directly out of machines.

yes

23:25

V:

like with a bucket V:

23:35

I'm starting to work out how to use the crafter servos.

23:35

Can't quite figure out how to link between item and fluid networks though.

Alright, I've had a chat with one of Thermal Logistics' authors.

01:11

I think I could probably help you guys out if needed :V

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õ.o

>tfw you desync so hard you have to reload the game

I crashed the server again!

05:18

oh no

05:19

it might be crashing repeatedly now

05:24

yeah sorry gollark I screwed it up V:

05:24

I think it's a world thing, not a playerdata thing.

05:25

But if you delete itemducts with resonant crafters on them, and maybe also a Thermal Logistics terminal, it should resolve.

05:31

@gollark If you could either give me the crash log(s) or throw it over in the Aleph Null server ( https://discordapp.com/invite/7p6v93a ) that'd be most appreciated.

I can't actually SSH in right now and won't be able to for a day or so… anyone know how I can remove the affected block ingame without actually loading it and causing a crash?

uhh

06:35

You could do a rollback.

06:35

I'd be the only one affected—several backups occurred while I was the only one online.

06:37

I don't know what MC save files look like, so I can't say for sure how easy they would be to edit.

There are programs to do it.

…Can you not use JEI to give yourself items (with proper world perms, of course)?

23:49

That was a useful feature in NEI for test worlds.

Yes, you can.

02:57

Control click the wrench icon in the corner.

MOX→LEP-239-Ox breeder facility online.

10:35

Aside from the 70 minute cycle length, I think it works pretty well.

10:35

I've not implemented the LEU-235-Ox→MOX-239 breeder since TMI burns LEU-235, and we can oxidize the spent fuel easily.

Wait, you actually brought it up? Ingame? I thought the server was dead.

Yeah, the server's up. (edited)

10:45

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

10:45

Minecraft operates in mysterious ways, it would seem. (edited)

It might just crash if you go too near narwhalz.

10:45

This does mean I can't just revert to backup, which is irritating.

ugh V:

…yeah it'd probably be a bad idea to load the chunks of the narcave.

Seems to be working fine and not crashing...

I bounced over to the Narcave earlier, not sure what you're on about.

11:15

The bug may have decided to politely fuck off.

So where's the new facility?

oh sweet :V

I may be off for a bit, since a mod recently updated and now mcdex is confused.

Which mod was it?

Future MC.

12:19

I've fixed it, though, by manually reverting that update in the manifest.

The server is going to reboot for updates Soon™. Please update via mcdex or mods.zip.

12:32

@0111narwhalz @TotallyNotHuman You're on right now, so please do that soon so I can restart it.

ACK

oh okay

I've added Portality - a cool teleporty mod - and updated.

nice :D

12:33

Continuing our discussion of increasing trade and economy: You save the coins you mint for further transactions, not burn them :V

maybe you do

Oh, are you using coins?

but I have a lens

I'm planning on starting coin use, yes.

(two now :D)

(also building a trading post)

Autotrading? That would be cool.

12:34

We could do it with CC, or possibly some AE2 magic.

I think a commodity currency just isn't viable in Minecraft.

we just traded with emeralds V:

sure but emeralds are sometimes useful

12:35

and you're the one who asked for emeralds

12:35

Coins are basically useless.

You can burn them for power, that's all.

I think one of the mods lets you build little trade o mat blocks

You can burn them for power, sure, but we have the Nether.

IC2 does, yes, I forgot.

IC² lets you do autotrading things, yeah.

Yeah, IC2. Couldn't remember the name. Just waking up

But IC² coins don't actually have a use after they've been minted, unlike TC coins if you're really in a pinch.

(IC² makes me think I²C which is something completely different)

Switchcraft (CC/OC-only server) uses a not-really-cryptocurrency (basically just proof of work and addresses, it's centralized and doesn't use many of the same concepts).

12:37

Seems to work well, except that early adopters or people with good GPUs have all the krist.

versions in filenames

12:38

hmm

12:38

:V

I mean, we could add another economy mod.

12:38

But since we already have coins with Thermal, that would be kind of redundant.

We could run a different CC-based currency.

If Bibliocraft didn't make signing books meaningless we could just do that thing.

Yet again, overuse of CC provides a solution(ish): cryptographic signatures.

Then we'd have to keep a record of every transaction.

oof, crashed on launch

Oh dear. What error?

[13:41:34] [main/ERROR] [LaunchWrapper]: Unable to launch java.lang.reflect.InvocationTargetException: null

Weeeird.

I had a conflict 'cause I missed a duplicate TCon V:

You can usually just wipe the whole mods folder and put in the new stuff, or use mcdex.

But now I got to the menu.

Yeah, did.

12:43

Lemme try this newfangled mcdex thing.

The process is quite annoying, unfortunately.

Not really?

12:46

It's chugging away and installing now.

It's just that the process is currently a bit hacky.

Still crashing.

12:47

Same error.

Can you upload the whole log?

Debug or latest?

Er, latest.

ACK

12:48

23 KB

What launcher is this with?

Er, vanilla launcher.

Ah, you have two foamfixes.

The one from minecraft.net.

12:49

Oh.

12:49

hm

And two opensecurities.

…so I do.

Probably other duplicates.

Why isn't it running from ~/.minecraft/mcdex/[…]/mods?

I couldn't say.

12:50

Did you select the right profile?

pretty sure I did

12:51

STBY, lemme try reinstalling

12:51

Okay, now the launcher is showing the right profile.

12:52

There we go, that looks much better.

12:54

oh jolly

12:54

Image attachment

12:54

Should probably include those in the installation instructions.

That should be in the manifest, actually. Better check.

nope-manifest shows 2768

Fixed.

thankee

uhh

The requester killed it again.

@gollark Disconnected me with "server closed"

16:19

V:<

I didn't even aggravate that bug!

16:20

Was it a DIV/0 again?

Don't think so.

We could do that install while the server's down :V

crash-2019-04-06_21.18.59-server.txt

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Also, out of curiosity: Why isn't radioactivity enabled on the server?

It's off by default.

16:20

Anyway, we're up now.

okay so that was a different bug :V

@gollark Apotheosis is missing placebo 1.5.1+. (edited)

?

see edit V:

17:33

bloody butterfingers

I still don't know what you mean.

It's missing a dependency.

Ah. Right.

eh you don't really need that mod anyway

17:34

you can just replace it with an empty jar file

17:34

:V

V:<

Sorry about this, reuploading and whatever now...

17:38

Okay, manifest is uploaded, mods.zip is still going.

oh

17:39

:V

Done & server up.

17:41

Tell me if it breaks horribly!

...hold up

17:44

We do have mobgriefing off, no?

should do, no?

… yes?

So why do we need forcefields to contain the wither? V:

We may not.

hm

17:46

didn't consider mobgriefing=false :V

The field can be configured to deal damage too, which is helpful.

…can it be configured to do looting too? :V

You can't loot a wither V:

17:51

Oh for christ's sake.

17:51

I logged in and the save was reset to a long time™ ago.

you what

yeah you know I'm going to go get dinner

holy crap that is a long time ago

17:52

alright can we restore from a recent backup? V:

@gollark

or

17:52

like

17:52

the save it's supposed to be :V

^

17:52

V:

I can do that tomorrow. In bed presently.

alright, cool

I really hope I haven't broken anything irrecoverably...

There are backups, no?

Yes, but apparently I didn't configure them to go back long enough.

They should go back to the end of the last session, right?

05:22

Or is there only one of them?

world-2019-04-07_02-38-16.zip  world-2019-04-07_05-38-16.zip  world-2019-04-07_08-38-16.zip
world-2019-04-07_03-08-16.zip  world-2019-04-07_06-08-16.zip  world-2019-04-07_09-08-16.zip
world-2019-04-07_03-38-16.zip  world-2019-04-07_06-38-16.zip  world-2019-04-07_09-38-16.zip
world-2019-04-07_04-08-16.zip  world-2019-04-07_07-08-16.zip  world-2019-04-07_10-16-45.zip
world-2019-04-07_04-38-16.zip  world-2019-04-07_07-38-16.zip
world-2019-04-07_05-08-16.zip  world-2019-04-07_08-08-16.zip

These are all after it broke.

05:23

There's also the automatic Forge backup, which seems to be corrupted somehow.

05:24

I'm pretty annoyed at myself for somehow constantly managing to mess it up.

Wait, does it make new backups even when nobody's online and nothing changed?

Yep! Stuff does change, via chunkloading.

oh I didn't know the clock runs even when nobody's online

05:25

I thought it all suspended.

05:26

welp

I'm going to try and run a file recovery thing on the disk now, then try and fix the zip, and if neither works guess it's an older version or DOOM.

maybe I should've crashed the server again V:

It autorestarts, that wouldn't help.

can't overwrite backups if you can't sustain enough uptime

This is really awful. I've managed to recover some of the new region files (from the corrupted forge-side backup), I think all the nether/end, and the level.dat, but no playerdata. Kind of annoyed at myself for misconfiguring the backup thing... anyway, if anyone has suggestions for getting more data out, or wants their own copy of stuff, you can ask, but I'm going to shut it down.

This latest messup was probably mostly on me (really should test stuff better), but I have no idea how big modded servers run without exploding.

sadcat

09:38

I suppose you learn by doing.

09:38

(and not running a server for an unstable modpack-I feel I'm partially to blame for wanting some additional mods :V) (edited)

or backing up the server before adding new mods

It was backed up. It's just that my backup retention policy was broken.

So the auto backups are fucked, the Forge backup(s?) are fucked…

09:41

Is the world basically gone?

I have parts of it, plus older copies of it.

Aw shit, not good at all. On a related note, we broke the icemaker (left a bottle in it).

How old?

I can't actually tell. I checked in it very briefly, in it the machines tower is 1 floor.

so if one wants to run a modpack for their own offline game it needs Forge + mcdex?

Oh damn, that's really old then.

No, you can manually install mods, but you need forge.

Might be the save I logged into post-restart.

Yes, it's that.

Bottle pushed through the container.

09:44

RIP

sigh

09:45

Where do you want to go with it?

09:45

I'd be okay with a reset.

unfortunately, I can’t really play modded minecraft right now. Like at all.

09:46

Otherwise I’d join in a heartbeat.

Like I said, it's shut down unless someone somehow has a good idea of how to recover the current world data.

woot, I have Forge. *goes to look up what next*

how on earth is a game that is so reliant on the modding community so singularly bad at documenting how to do things?! It's like they want everything to be passed on by word of mouth!

What are you trying to do?

Install a modpack without using the Twitch launcher, because the Twitch launcher is slow and takes ~7 minutes to open a pack and fuck that.

Ah. Right.

09:39

I think MultiMC has the ability to install from zips.

I have found instructions on how to install singular mods, but not packs. And the standard response to people asking is "just use Twitch"

MultiMC has add instance → import from ZIP.

09:40

Or use CMPDL.

09:40

https://github.com/Vazkii/CMPDL

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"Requires gson and zip4j." *cries*

09:41

I just want to play a game D:

Just download a JAR from the releases.

I don't LIKE having to learn a whole bunch of extra programming that is hard for me from people who don't explain things and expect everyone to just know things and treat me like I'm stupid

@gollark: How broken is the forge backup? I might be able to mess around a little bit.

09:42

I'm aware it's likely futile, but I'll try.

The ZIP itself is I think truncated, I was able to recover some region files.

I'm sorry. I am not joking, I am seriously legitimately crying because this is overwhelming I've tried for an hour and why is n't this documented for the poor chemists

https://github.com/Vazkii/CMPDL/releases

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yeah I'm getting a bunch of incomprehsible error messages

09:44

thank you for trying though, you've gotten me progressed further than anything else in the last hour

09:44

I'm going to quit for now and make a cup of tea

09:45

and then maybe play pokemon

If you can download the pack zip from somewhere, you can import it into MultiMC. Which pack are you trying to use?

Good Call. Need some time to unwind. (edited)

Minecraft modding is trash

I would call it "overall positive".

Thermal Logistics released an update fixing the bug I, ah, discovered.

17:48

So… if and/or when the server comes up again, consider wrapping that update in.

Well, if I/someone does start a new one, we'll use the newest versions, sure.

So — any idea how much transfer the server was using? Thinking ‘bout hosting arrangements.

I can't really speak for total up/down, but it's on awful UK home internet so no more than 36Mbps down bandwidth and 8 up.

For what it's worth, I'd be kinda okay with a world wipe if necessary?

20:22

I think Apotheosis adds some worldgen anyway.

I could wipe the world and turn it back on. I just don't want to.

My ranking of outcomes goes: Full recovery; Partial recovery (of the important parts); Full wipe; The rollback we saw

same

The rollback is just… frustrating.

23:23

I recognize a full recovery as extremely unlikely.

Partial recovery will be a clusterfuck though, unless the region files are specifically the ones around the commune/narcave/TMI.

I don't think they are.

ugh

Also, up-to-date playerdata is gone.

uuuuuuuuugh

09:51

Then I would be fine with the full wipe.

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